inflationary costs of health care before we created medicare and medicaid? they ran the same as every other aspect of our inflation. in other words, there was no differential between health care costs. now that we have a government program, what has happened is health care costs are two, sometimes three times the rate of the average inflation in the economy. so what you did is, number one, you had a supreme court ruling that it was in the best interests of the country to take away the liberty of individuals. and the congress had actually gone outside of the enumerated powers -- which lists very specifically what the congress can do -- and yet the supreme court held up the abandonment of the enumerated powers. and also the trumping of the tenth amendment. >> host: why -- when it comes to the commerce clause, you used that with supreme court justice elena kagan, and you reprint that testimony, your back and forth with elena kagan in "the debt bomb." what was the question you asked can her about fruits and vegetables? >> well, the question i asked is could the government tell you, mandate to y
